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President Obama's Eligibility Challenged

Two men, including a Monmouth County resident, are challenging President Barack Obama's placement on the state's primary ballot.

 

Two New Jersey residents, including one from Monmouth County, are challenging President Barack Obama's place on the state's primary ballot, according to the Bayshore Tea Party Group.

Nick Purpura, of Monmouth County, has filed a challenge along with Ocean County resident Ted Moran alleging that Obama has never shown adequate proof that he was born in the United States - despite the release of a longform birth certificate by the White House in April of 2011 - and that his father was never a citizen of the United States, meaning Obama is not a natural born citizen, at least according to their interpretation of the Constitution.

The challenge will be heard by an administrative law judge Tuesday at the Administrative Law Offices in Quakerbridge and the Bayshore Group has asked those interested in attending to consider carpooling - a cost effective and environmentally friendly mode of travel.

The primary election is scheduled for June 5.

The petition, which was uploaded to the the document-sharing site Scribd, cites sources that include World Net Daily, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the controversial elected sheriff of Maricopa County, Az., and videos posted on YouTube as evidence why Obama may not be eligible to be this country's president.

From the petition:

"Candidate Obama has not conclusively proven his identity and he is perpetrating a fraud upon Objector Purpora (sic) and Moran by not revealing his true identity which is harmful to their rights as voters and citizens. The objection to Candidate Obama's nominating petition is twofold. We first allege that he has not conclusively proven that he was born in the United States. We also allege that even if he was born in the United States, he is still not an Article II "natural born Citizen" because he fails to meet the requirements of the traditional American common law definition of the clue which is a child born in the country to two U.S. citizen parents."

To view the entire petition on Scribd, click here.

    • Should President Barack Obama's place of birth still be an issue?

      (Voting has been closed for this question)
      • Yes. He still hasn't provided conclusive evidence he was born in the United States.
          220 (35%)
      • No. He produced his birth certificate. The issue is over.
          393 (63%)
      • Other. Tell us in the Comments section below.
          3 (0%)
      Total votes: 616
    • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
    Related Topics: Barack Obama, Barack Obama birth certificate, Tea Party, and birther movement

    Pete Heinbaugh

    4:44 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    C'mon.
    Is this a belated April Fool's prank?

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    Shirley

    4:53 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    What a load of old cobbles.

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    Safehaven5

    5:15 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Neither has Santurom, Romeny, Paul or Gingrich...... Why aren't they crying about that?

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    Safehaven5

    5:20 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    These fools are in the Tea Party and probably collecting goventment checks!!!

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    salvatore

    11:18 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Considering that the reddest states are the ones with the highest welfare rates, no.

    Michael Guenther

    5:50 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    The requirement that the president be a natural born citizen made a lot of sense in 1790. What sensible purpose does it serve today? Why can't we simply amend the Constitution to eliminate it. It's not required to be native born to be a Supreme Court justice or a senator or a admiral or anything else in the country.

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    Eleanor

    6:04 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    There is a difference between 'natural born' and 'native born'. Here is a link to one of the best researched blogs on what 'natural born citizen means' according to the Constitution. I think the purpose it serves today (as for a requirement) is the same as in 1790 which was to make sure that a president would not have conflicting allegiances. To change it would require an amendment.

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    Loretka

    8:34 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Why did it make a lot of sense in 1790 but not today? In any event, the Constitution says so, and until it is changed we should abide by it. And we should not change the Constitution simply to fix things for specific people. Changing this requirement would allow for someone from a foreign country to come over here and be president. Bye Bye America. This Constitutional requirement should remain as is.

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    David Vaccaro

    8:55 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Michael,

    I think you just want to expand the cess(pool) of candidates available to the democrat party. You'd think what with self-described liberals representing only about 20% of the population there'd be plenty of defective candidates available already. Look at the great history, great war heroes like John Kerry having suffering a near fatal rice injury to his ass, goofy dopes like algore who said the core of the earth is 5 million degrees and candidates like Mike Dukkakis who needed all his spare time to keep Kitty from drinking his cologne. Of course there were successes like Bill Clinton, who in retrospect wasn't half bad in comparison. He spawned a new kind of democrat. Women who wished they were Monica and men who wished they were Monica too. The democrat party grows odder than ever.

    Sam Samstie

    5:56 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    The petitioners are correct but for the wrong reasons. See, the "president" was born in Hawaii and my common law definition of statehood is that to be a state, the state must be contiguous to at least one other state. So, Hawaii is not a state and there is no legal ambiguity about having to be born in the US. Also - face it, the "president" cannot prove qualifying citizenship through documentation because I believe that every document could be fraudulent. Unless I was there to witness the birth there is no way to prove to me where he was born, or whether he was born (I have never seen him in person). This is the basis for me not watching the TV machine or believing anything about "history" and such. In case you're wondering, Romney is legit because he looks it and is a republican. Thank you, Sam Samstie, write-in candidate for council. "Vote for me even if you have doubts about my existance."

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    Marge Innovera

    6:23 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Completely false. Hawaii is a properly constituted US state.

    Also, you can be a child of Martians, but if born on US soil, you're a US citizen.

    You can be a US citizen, qualified to run for President, even if born outside the US, to parents who are US citizens- and I specifically refer to John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which is not nor has ever been a US state nor even a territorial possession.

    You nutjobs have flogged this stupidity right into the ground. 'Birther' is now a punchline, but by all means, keep at it. It's comforting to know the crazies are willing to publicly identify themselves as what they are.

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    salvatore

    11:16 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    You know John McCain was born in Panama, right?

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    Jerry Grady

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Salvatore, I know that very well. I do not care. I was just pointing out what the lawsuit is really about. Both of Johns Parents were Natural Born US Citizens, which makes him a natural US Citizen. But like i said i made a comment to what the suit was about. Red, Blue, Independent, I could care, I vote for policy, not people. I have no opinion to this matter except to point out the fact of the suit. Have a great sunny beach day.

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    Our Town

    3:04 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Please put down the keyboard and back away from the internets.

    Eleanor

    6:08 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    I see the link did not come thru - will try again.
    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2012/02/tisdale-v-obama-and-natural-born.html
    This article explains the difference between 'native' and 'natural' born citizens

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    Michael Guenther

    10:32 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    I wish I could find it but I remember reading a article a couple of years ago that gave the opinion that even if it could be proved that Obama was not an American citizen the Supreme Court would be unlikely to overturn it. There is apparently a well established legal principle, the gist of it being, that the court does not have to enforce laws if it would cause greater harm by doing so.
    Consider the political turmoil that still affects the country from the Supreme Court having to rule over a few thousand disputed votes in the 2000 election. Then consider the likely result if the Court overturned the 2008 election where Obama was the clear winner. There would have been rioting in the streets and death everywhere if the Birthers got their way.
    My original point was that regardless of what the very real merits of requiring that the President be a natural born citizen were in 1790 they're worthless today. The country was full of people who had been Loyalists during the Revolution and thousands more just over the border in Canada. What is the threat now from foreigners on our soil to our democracy? That they don't pay taxes and take jobs from Americans? That's a problem but it's not a threat. We need to amend the Constitution to remove the requirement and its justification for Nativism.

    Ric

    6:11 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    What stupid people. Besides the birth certificate, Obama's mother is an American therefore he is an American. I do not even like Obama. With all the other problems in this nation, this is the most stupid of issues.

    The people pushing this issue are smoking something wacky. What do they think, Obama's mother was not an American?

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    salvatore

    11:09 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Yeah, except there's no such law.

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    Jerry Grady

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Actually there is. And it dates way way back. It defines only Natural US Citizens can be elected as President. But i concur with many, who really cares. But I will let you google it yourself as i did the research when i was challenging someone like you me.

    Mr. Hankey

    7:43 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Everybody should exercise their constitutional rights. In fact, I am going to excercise my right to arm bears!

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    Jim Houck

    8:10 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    This has a lot less to do with constitutional rights than it does about a couple of Tea Party crackpots seeking to self publicize. Yeah, keep him off the primary ballot in NJ ... big difference that will make other than to bring more ridicule to our sad state.

    Ruth Mays

    8:07 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    Actually, the law does not state that both parents must be natural born citizens. A person born inside the United States is automatically a citizen, regardless of the citizenship of his parents. When our President was born, Hawaii was legally a State.
    In addition to that, his mother was born inside the United States, and is therefore also a citizen. Birthers need to drop this foolishness.

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    Rik Magee

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    His mother was 16 when impregnated and gave birth at 17 in Kenya. She by law had not lived within the USA long enough to extend citizenship to an offspring. Obama's alleged father was not and never was a US Citizen. In order to convey citizenship to an offspring, both parents must be a US Citizen. Obama was supposedly adopted by Sotero and changed his name in Kenya. While enrolled in a Christian School he registered as a muslim and rec'd daily Islamic training. Per Kenyan law. No Christian Teachings were allowed. Now comes the interesting part;. Frank Marshal an avowed Communist and friend of the CPUSA member grandparents in Hawaii, wrote about impregnating the white 16 yr old grandaughter of his friends ( the Grandparents) in Hawaii, while living in their home. Speculation is that Marshall was really Obama's father. How's that grab you? Gusess what?? That would make him a citizen if DNA could proove that. My advice is Please pull your heads out of the sand and research on your own. Thanks for reading, ~Rick Magee, FL

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    Jerry Grady

    12:34 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Dan, the encyclopedia of truth. As my high school teacher and college professors have told my kids no reports are to be done using Wikipedia. If they reference it automatic fail. I am not challenging it I just love to say it. LOL

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    Eleanor

    12:59 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    The problem is that anybody can upload anything to Wiki. They do try to monitor it and take down false information but can't always keep up. My friends say that their kids - some in college, 1 in HS, are not allowed to cite Wiki as a source.

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    Matt Skoufalos

    2:29 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    The source Wikipedia cites is the CRS:

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

    "Under the common law principle of jus soli (law of the soil), persons born on English soil, even of two alien parents, were “natural born” subjects and, as noted by the Supreme Court, this “same rule” was applicable in the American colonies and “in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution..."

    "In addition to historical and textual analysis, numerous holdings and references in federal (and state) cases for more than a century have clearly indicated that those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction (i.e., not born to foreign diplomats or occupying military forces), even to alien parents, are citizens “at birth” or “by birth,” and are “natural born,” as opposed to “naturalized,” U.S. citizens.

    "There is no provision in the Constitution and no controlling American case law to support a contention that the citizenship of one’s parents governs the eligibility of a native born U.S. citizen to be President."

    David Vaccaro

    9:33 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

    I think Obama is probably American. But one has to wonder when he does so much to cause everyone to question his motives. For example this latest flap with purposefully questioning the Supreme Court's ability to find laws unconstitutional. He also loves his "czars" because they offer him some extra-constitutional powers to his mind. He has many times assured his slavish followers that he's doing things "under the radar". His mother had some mental issues and his father seemed hell-bent on inseminating every woman that couldn't outrun him worldwide. This fellow has an issue with the truth so why would it be hard to understand people being suspicious of that which he offers in the way of proof.

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    will smith

    10:07 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Let me guess, you are a big fan of Faux News!

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    David Vaccaro

    10:31 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    will smith

    10:07 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Let me guess, you are a big fan of Faux News!

    will,

    Let me guess... a liberal with no new material?

    salvatore

    12:04 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Ok, two things. First, one of the plaintiff's names is misspelled in their own legal brief. Second, the plaintiffs cited WND as their source, which is the website that claims eating soy makes you gay.

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    SRDK

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    I am an American citizen, their father is not. My children acquired their American citizenship at birth, from me, even tho they were NOT born in the US. End of story.

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    Harry Janice

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Wow, I guess the president really duped 350 million people. How embarrassing,the lengths people will go.

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    Harry Janice

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Wow, I guess the FBI, CIA, Secret Service and the majority of all Americans who voted for him missed this one. We all were duped! Tea party idiots.

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    Marlene Greyson

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Sheriff Arpaio's evidence is compelling. I was skeptical until I sat down and watched it. It's pretty unbelievable how the media has completely ignored it.

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    Jim Woods

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Hawaii is not a STATE!!.......it's a state of Mind.....ask anyone who lives there.

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    Neil Kaye

    11:15 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    1/3 people can't accept that Obama is American? Either the poll has been taken over by the Tea Party or the OCNJ area is in serious peril. This was debated and litigated in the last election. Please, let's move on.

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    Donna Ann Thomas

    11:15 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Lol, the Birthers just can't admit that they are beat. The newspapers in Hawaii back then got their "babies born" information from Hawaii's vital statistics office, who in turn had received the information from hospital records. It would take an awful lot to fake it, much more than just a phone call (as some Birthers claim) to the newspapers asking for them to print an announcement. By the way, what ever happened to Donald Trump's investigators who were going to Hawaii a year or so ago to uncover the truth about the supposed birth certificate fraud?

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    Jim Woods

    5:34 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    You know,when people lie or get cought in a lie, they say nothing...it's called taking the fifth. In this case, maybe not a lie, but not the truth. Only the shadows of Obama & his parents know the truth. The rest is just cojecture & speculation.......

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    Rik Magee

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    and he continues to p on your head and tell you it's raing and You believe him

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    Rik Magee

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    Miss Donna, you are incorrect on your post. The Hospitals (Both) deny having any records of his being born there. The hospital on the FORGED Certificate lists the name of the Hospital as one that did not exist back then as named. The Hawaiin Bureau of Vital statistics has NO Record of his Birth as claimed in the Media. A Thorough search was done when he ran for POTUS and an Official has, by affidavit, sworn that a Certificate of Live Birth Did Not Exist for Obama or Soetero. The Granparents gave the Notice to the Newspapers and not the hospital ! The complete Investigation of this by Sheriff Joe Arpaio in AZ. has proved Forgeries. The MSM via the FCC, have been threatened by the Administration to Not Follow or report on that.

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    Michael Guenther

    12:52 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    They're having a great time and wish we were there

    Jim Woods

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    I spelled conjecture wrong.....hope my comment is'nt judged by my spelling (by the same people that don't think Obama should be President, because of conjecture & speculation.) I 'll be in real trouble....

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    Brian Kelly

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    If Obama wasn't born in this country that means George Bush and Dick Cheney let someone born on foreign soil run for and win the presidency. It also means George Bush spent 6 weeks working with a foreigner to help transition his team into the white house. Somehow I don't think those two would have made that mistake. The CIA, the FBI, the NSA and the 14 other national security agencies have a world wide data base and might know more about you that you do. Birthers are pretty sad, when you think about it.

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    Rik Magee

    5:35 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    The Media and The DemocRATic State of N.J. deliberately ignoring the fact that Obama was NEVER VETTED as was John McCain. Obama has produced Forged Documents to proove his birthplace. Obama's grandmaother was present in KENYA at his Birth and Kenya has his BirthCertificate. A 'Shrine" is at the site of his birth in the kenyan Hospital. How about the Fraudulant Selective Service Cards and the Illegal usage of a Social Security Number for a deceased Conn. man who died in Hawaii? The posts on thio9s site indicate the mentality of thiose that ostricize themselves by sticking their heads errr... in the sand and refusing to seek the truth. ~Rick Mgee, FL

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    Eleanor

    1:06 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    I think people have a problem because they don't know that there is a difference between 'natural born' and 'native born'. I used to think they were the same thing but there is a difference that does affect eligibility for some offices. Unfortunately, wiki cloggers and online scrubbers have made it very hard to get a clear and factual explanation of the difference. But here is another link that is pretty simple to understand.
    http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2011/04/attorney-mario-apuzzo-even-with-birth.html

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    John K

    1:29 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    obama has not presented enough proof to even obtain a NJ drivers license. Why has he hidden all of his records ? No one has come forward that knew him in school. Who is he ? If you disagree with Sheriff Joe Arpiao's investigation - why ? Here is a link to American Thinker. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/oblivious_to_the_obvious.html

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    Diogenes

    3:55 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    "American Thinker"---Really!!! Yuk, yuk, yuk.
    Talk about irony!!

    Jim Woods

    1:30 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    My comments are based on my life's experiences. I don't know anything about Wikipedia, but I do know how ( I ) feel, and thats good enough for, ( Me ) ......What happened to my comments?

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    Mr. Hankey

    1:38 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Was George Washington born in this country?
    At least he was able to bridge the gap between New Jersey and New York.

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    Eleanor

    2:09 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    George Washington was born in Virginia in Westmorland county.

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    Ric

    5:01 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Yes, but Virginia was not a state at the time of George Washington's birth just like Hawaii was not a state when Obama was born!

    So I guess the birthers want George Washington to be impeached!

    This birther movement is so stupid. With all the more important problems going on in New Jersey and America that need adressing, the birthers are truly clueless.

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    Alison

    5:08 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Ric - Hawaii became a state in 1959...supposedly Obama was born there in 1961. Therefore your statement is incorrectand irrelevant. Sorry!

    Jim Woods

    2:14 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    I think that the truth is only spoken from the breath it was spoken from. I think that my Constitutional rights allows me to form whatever opinion I want to.....and for whatever reason I want to....and Visa-Versa. Thats what makes this Country Great!! Were all just doing the legwork of life, and were all just trying to get it right...more power to US....

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    Sam Samstie

    2:24 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Marge - Can you prove to me that Hawaii is a state? And don't be bringing up documents and such. Any document can be created for any reason. My common law makes clear that Hawaii is not a state because it is not contiguous to any other state. And it is common law because I have abided by it for more than seven years. And the native v. natural born issue is easily adjudicated thusly - I have been living in OC since I was a zygote. I am native-born. However, I am not natural born because I was delivered by emergency C-section (owing to some dimensional challenges). So I am native born but not natural born yet I am eligible to run for Write in Candidate for Council. But as I said before and it appears many on this string agree, Romney is eligible because he looks eligible and is republican. Can we all agree on that at least?

    Thank you, Sam Samstie: "Good thing Hawaii is not a state (but too bad Alaska is not because Ms. Palin would have been a superb president and an example to the world of all that is good and competant about America and its politics."

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    Alison

    5:02 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    By the same argument that you're using regarding contiguous land - does that mean that Canada and Mexico are states?

    Diogenes

    4:04 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    When Purpura (purpura, by the way, is a type of skin rash) and Moron---oops!--I mean Moran--present their case, they will base it on the foundation of P.O.E--Peace on Earth, or Purity of Essence. Their lawyer will be General Jack Ripper, and their political consultant is Dr. Strangelove. Once again, the country will laugh at NJ.

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    Harry Janice

    4:52 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    How many stars are on the American flag flying at All federal buildings? If Hawaii and Alaska aren't states then why are there stars represented for them.

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    Jim Woods

    5:35 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Great! comment Harry.....some people that I have come in contact with, for one reason or another, that have displayed(verbally) that they were prejudice. I have asked them, how many stars & sripes on the American Flag? and, they get it wrong...So, I think there is something wrong there. Doesnt exactly relate to what you said, but you get where I'm going.........

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    Jim Woods

    5:43 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    David, do you know how many stars & stripes on the American Flag ?

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    David Vaccaro

    7:56 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    Jim,

    I think there are 13 stripes and 58 stars according to the First Kenyan.

    Mr. Hankey

    7:36 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

    They should drop a stripe or add a stripe. Thirteen is an unlucky number. Ever since there were thirteen colonies, we couldn't catch a break.

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    David Vaccaro

    5:36 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

    I wonder what the flag would look like if borat had a chance to design it. Maybe like the Kenyan flag but with his likeness in the corner. Or Like a food stamp. Or better yet that New Yorker cover with him and the food obsessed Michelle doing the fist bump.

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    Christina

    6:21 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    So over this man we call president!! He has so many skeletons in his closet and he continues to walk through his term with no questions asked. Enough...we the people need to stop this insanity!!

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    Dan Reynolds

    11:08 pm on Saturday, April 21, 2012

    And.. that would be.. every man who has ever been President.

    Relaxed and Payed

    8:01 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    Best president ever as long as you like to sit home all day and collect other peoples hard earned cash! He has been paying my bills for years bc he keeps extending unemployment! Who needs a job when you can get paid to watch jerry springer.

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    Sean McCullen

    4:28 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    I don't know about you--and I sense a lot of tongue-in-cheek sentiment in that statement--but I don't believe it matters who is in the Oval Office. Unemployment is going to exist whether it's a Republican or a Democrat there and, given the awful economy that has spanned over the last two presidents' terms now, it was going to be extended whether there was an "R" or a "D" there. And there are always going to be those who are content taking in the $500 or so maximum a week that comes with unemployment and sitting on the couch (hopefully watching something more enriching than Springer) and there are always going to be those who want to do more with their lives than they can do on $500 a week.

    Michael Guenther

    3:40 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    Since my motives and more about me has been publicly mocked let me state that I am proud to say that the first president I voted for was Ronald Reagan and although I'm not too happy with GOP nowadays, as a Catholic, voting for a Democrat for anything higher than the town council or county clerk in New Jersey is not a option.
    Let me remind everyone that when the Constitution was written the USA consisted of the eastern seaboard states and that England, France and Spain had huge territories on our borders filled with Indian tribes that had fought us in the Revolution and the French and Indian War. It made perfect sense then to reserve the Presidency to someone who had been born here. We no longer have to fear that the England might send a army to burn down Washington DC or the French will demand tribute like they did during the XYZ Affair.
    Let me also say that by the original Constitution that only white males could vote and senators were elected by the state legislatures and vice presidents were elected separately from the president. There's no reason we can't amend this ridiculous requirement to the dustbin of history except we don't want to.
    Again I assert that the only modern justification for retaining this law is Nativism, that is, the belief that anyone not born in the United States cannot be a loyal American.

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    Neil Kaye

    4:13 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

    Michael, thanks for a thoughtful comment. It is much more balanced than I thought it would be based on your intro. The later suggests you are a single issue voter, abortion is the only position that drives your voting. Many Catholics have begun to see the issue of "social justice" as more important than simply being against abortion. Keep on thinking. We need thinkers in this world. JFK, a Democrat, was the first Catholic President, and agreed to keep the boundary between church and state. I don't want a religiously run country nor did the founding fathers. That's why they left England. If someone wants to live in a country run by religious rules there are plenty from which to pick, including Christian and Islamic venues. Personally, I believe we should keep religion out of the picture, even in OCNJ where Methodists first settled. Just think, if we didn't have the religion issue behind the scenes, we wouldn't be arguing about BYOB either.

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    archie struthers

    7:17 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

    Until we realize that almost no politicians really represent us, whether republican or dem , we are destined to suffer from their decisions. They simply seek to keep us polarized!

    One term and done for all of them, let them come back and live in our world.

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    David Vaccaro

    7:37 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

    Archie,

    I agree with you to an extent. But the system only asks that you choose between one of the two parties and pick the better person. Look at where we are with the president. Obama was clearly the wrong choice...that was obvious to most. McCain would have been in some areas a less than perfect choice but we wouldn't have to claw ourselves back from the precipice of disaster. McCain represented clear American values. Obama's mind is off in some imagined Marxist utopia lacking the simplest of understanding how our system works. Anyone who fell for a guy who said he could change the sea level is an idiot. We should have lowered his water level and flushed this loser.

    I'm with you on single terms but these bastards are unlikely do it to themselves. Until then, we should hold them to some standards and dump those who clearly shouldn't be leading us.

    archie struthers

    11:08 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

    Got to disagree respectfully , one and done for me. No pensions for elected leaders, no benefits, health care et al. In one generation of voting them all out we would improve the country dramatically.

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    Sarah

    12:17 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012

    What a huge waste of time.

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