City Council to Consider Trying to Buy Beachfront Lots of Schilling Estate
The city would use state grant money to help preserve the undeveloped land.
City Council will consider a resolution Thursday to apply for a $1.2 million state grant to preserve beachfront property at 19th Street.
At its public meeting 7 p.m. Feb. 9, the council will discuss a plan that could protect three lots owned by the estate of Helen Schilling from future development.
Representatives of Schilling's estate are seeking permission to build a luxury home on the land, while neighbors and other Ocean City residents oppose the idea of "building on the beach." The battle focuses on a unique stretch of undeveloped land along the Ocean City Boardwalk between 19th and 20th streets.
City Council is proposing to seek a state Green Acres grant of $1.2 million to purchase the land for "outdoor recreation and conservation purposes." In a typical Green Acres acquisition grant, the state would fund 25 percent of a land purchase with the applicant responsible for the other 75 percent. For its share, the city would consider the possibility of using money offered by neighbors to purchase the property for preservation.
"If the estate were to accept $1.2 million, I think the money would be there," said Clement Lisitski, the Ocean City attorney representing the neighbors.
"At this point, we're just trying to explore our options," City Council President Michael Allegretto said.
He said the city wants to determine first how much, if any, state grant money would be available for such a purchase. The city would then have to consider the sale price of the property and the potential sources of funding.
The group of neighbors offered the estate $700,000 earlier this year, but their offer was turned down.
A statement released by Business Administrator Mike Dattilo on Tuesday morning is as follows:
"There is a resolution on the agenda for the City Council meeting of Feb. 9, 2012, authorizing a Green Acres grant application for the acquisition of the Schilling Estate’s property at 19th Street and the beach. If grant funds are awarded, they could be combined with additional funds contributed by neighboring property owners to potentially acquire the property. Should the property be acquired by a combination of grant and private funds, it is anticipated that the entire parcel would ultimately be placed on the city’s Green Acres inventory. This would prevent the property from being developed.
Due to the continued possibility of litigation in regard to this matter, this will be the extent of the administration’s comments at this time."
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More on the Schilling estate:
- Read more on the history of the property and DEP application.
- See interactive satellite map of the property.
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Richard Hluchan, the attorney representing the estate, said on Tuesday morning that he was not aware of the resolution on City Council's agenda but that the estate remains open to any offer for "fair market value" on the three beachfront lots.
In the meantime, the estate is awaiting final determination from the state Department of Environmental Protection on a Coastal Area Facilities Review Act (CAFRA) application authorizing a two-story single family home of 5,740-square-foot single-family home with a footprint of 2,870 feet and a pool and detached garage. The state gave a preliminary approval to the application pending a public comment period that ended in November.
The proposal would move the existing bulkhead in line with existing bulkheads to the south at a spot 42 feet from the Boardwalk. At the applicant's expense, 19th Street would be extended 52 feet, and water and sewer lines would also be extended.
The proposed building area would be five feet from the neighboring properties, 10 feet from the extended 19th Street and 25 feet from the new bulkhead between the new home and the Boardwalk.
Hluchan represents the trustee (a BNY Mellon administrator) of the estate of Helen Schilling (who passed away in 1998). Helen and Charles Schilling (who died in 1980) had no children and no heirs, and the beneficiaries of her estate include Shore Memorial Hospital, Abington Hospital and the Ocean City Tabernacle.
Most of the Schilling estate was sold within two or three years of her death with the proceeds going to the charities. But the beachfront properties remained.
Duffer
10:46 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Good Lord!!!!!
Just let the people build on their property. Why should the taxpayers bail out a few connected people who don't want their view to change. This is absurd. Just let the people build on their lots.
Beach View
11:04 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
With the current state of finances, can someone please explain to me why this is a good idea? Given OC's housing density over the past 50 years, the idea of "Green Acres" is actually funny. Kind of like closing the barn door after the horse has not only been let out, but has died and was buried. This smells of yet more no-growth, flat-earth thinking that seems to have possessed members of the OC community. This is private property. They have the right to do with it what they wish, within the confines of the city's ordinances and codes. Get the hell out of their business, you have no dog in this race.
ken mccusker
11:15 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
bullshit no reason for oc to buy this property... let the people who own it deal with whatever... the people around it bought their property with no guarantee that this would never be built on... too bad for you if your view is obstructed... boo hoo then move
Beach View
11:26 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Don't get me started Ken, how many of us long time home owners have had their plans screwed up by these pinheads. The red tape and nonsense they run your through to make simple changes to your property are absolutely insane. In this case there planning to use taxpayers money to secure the million dollar view? Not gonna happen folks...
Cindy Nevitt
10:59 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
That '"land" wouldn't even be there if it hadn't been for federal beach nourishment projects. There would be no "land" to sell, buy or develop if nature had taken its course. So if the "land" is sold and developed, the federal government should rightly expect compensation for its part in "preserving" that beachfront lot.
Duffer
7:04 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Look at an aerial view of these properties and the adjacent properties that front the boardwalk. Its obvious that these properties ought to be built on just like the blocks to the north and the south. The government ought to back off and let the property owners do as they please with their properties and build on them to match the properties to the north and the south. Any local official who desires to purchase these properties with taxpayer money or "grants" ought to be removed from office. So corrupt!!!!!
Eric Sauder
9:01 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I'm not so sure about that Duffer. What man builds nature destroys. That is especially true of the ocean. It will eventually reclaim that 10 feet of sand. Beach replenishment is an ongoing process. You see it all the time with houses built on a flood plan. Eventually the area floods, destroys the houses, and some government agency is tasked with bailing out the homeowners. That is our tax dollars at work. I think they should leave that section of beach the way it is. I understand construction will be permitted there, but I think its a bad idea.
Duffer
10:03 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
The property rights of the land owner should trup everything and government shold not be picking and choosing winners and losers or choosing to give preferential treatment to people so they can keep their view. This smells to the high heavens of corruption especially when the councilman behind this is a realtor. Resign Mr. Alligretto.
Tired of Hypocrisy
2:49 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
If only the OC government had protected ALL the long time homeowners during the building boom & bought ground so our views were not obstructed & we didn't wind up with outside steps within feet of our properties. No way should tax money be spent to save the homeowners from an obscured view. They bought/built their homes with no guarantee the Shilling properties would stay undeveloped. 1.2 million for those lots? Laughable! Perhaps if the City finds 12 million laying around, they will be able to purchase the lots. Too bad for the homeowners that will lose their view, but that is progress in Ocean City.
vic
10:04 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
i looked at a property for sale behind the schilling lots and i refused to pay the inflated price that was being asked for what was being called "beach front", because nobody could guarantee that the schilling lots would never be built on.
all the property owners behind the schilling lots were fully aware of the situation and the ocean city taxpayers should not be held responsible because they will lose part of their view. the ocean city government should not serve as a bail out for these property owners.
i own a property 2 houses from the beach. the property in front of me is a taredown. is ocean city going to buy this property and preserve it as open space so that i will not lose my view?
JCP
4:01 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Is it built on dunes and replenished beach?
JCP
12:18 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
The fact remains as such, and I quote the article: "Most of the Schilling estate was sold within two or three years of her death with the proceeds going to the charities. But the beachfront properties remained." Hmmm. Wonder why they properties remained?? Because this area is comprised of dunes and beach replenishment! Instead of looking at aeriel views and grumbling that you don't have a beach view, go take a look at the area in question. And if the property does in fact get built on, then the Schilling estate should be back taxed for all the years that they weren't taxed as beachfront property. You can't have it both ways. Everyone commenting here has to admit one thing--the last thing O.C. needs is another vacant luxury property sitting around. Right or wrong????
Beach View
2:45 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
The Schilling estate has nothing to do with how the property is classified. That's the city's call. To go after the estate to pay taxes on something that wasn't classified that way is vindictive and silly. If they are, in fact, buildable lots, let them be built and the city collect the appropriate taxes on what would be beachfront homes. The essence of this sotry is the city's contemplation of spend yet more money our of our pockets to buy the property as "Green Acres". While they're at it, I have a residential property in the south end that my neighbors might love to see torn down and turned into a park. Maybe they can find the money for that too.
JCP
4:01 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
You said it best yourself--if the property wasn't classified as buildable when they bought it, it shouldn't be classified that way now. The city called it that way then, and it should stand. Instead of being vindictive--flip it around--the Schilling estate knew it wasn't buildable back when they bought it, boo hoo on them....And if you can find more areas for parks in OC, let me know, my children would love to go....
Beachy Keen
4:44 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Seems to me that the land sat there for decades and nobody built on it probably because it was under water. The Federal government comes along and replenishes it and then the land gets protection from the state of NJ as protected dunes. Now the state is about to change its mind and say the land is not protected yet it was built up 10 feet by using tax dollars. The state of NJ is broke and can't afford to argue the case. The Schilling estate attorneys seem to be very well funded and will milk this for all it is worth. Can someone explaine how privately owned land is built up and replenished using state and federal tax dollars and sat there for years while all of the other Schilling properties were sold but now the estate wants to sell the land to a developer to build anothe monstrosity of a home that may sit empty and underwater? If OC can secure a grant and combine it with the neighbors offer to keep the dunes in place then I think this option should be considered.
If anyone was able to build on the property, this would have happened during the boom years. The Schilling attorney has skillfully pitted everyone against each other and will take the best offer regardless of the consequences to OC, the neighbors, or the dop who would buy a property on land that would otherwise be under water.
JCP
6:35 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Very well said...and the truth.
Duffer
5:09 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Again the rights of the property owners should come first. The second most important consideration should be the taxpayers whose money should not be used for this under any circumstance. It is a total misuse of taxpayer's money and stinks of corruption. What side deals has Allegretto made to get the property purchased by the city??? We need to know!!!!
Further, the property owners should have equal right to build out their lots to match what has been built on the lots that front the boardwalk on the blocks to the north and to the south. No doubt that its west of the bulkhead and it is a buildable lot.
Beach View
5:23 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Absolutely correct, well said. Any time I hear of the city looking for grants my ears perk up. These grants always come with strings, usually at taxpayers expense. In this case it really smells fishy. Fishy like someone gets paid an absurdly high price from the public trough. Again, the city has absolutely NO business here. We're not talking protecting swampland (a favorite waste of taxpayer money) or even something that could be considered parks and recreation. We're talking a bare patch of sand that should have been built on years ago and that for whatever reason, the owner saw fit not to.
JCP
6:43 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
The property owners are dead, long gone. If they could've built on that land, they would have eons ago. It's obvious they weren't able to. The corruption you speak about is now coming from the lawyers, who are making a mint off of unbuildable land. Same for the trustees who will benefit---the Tabernacle, Shore Memorial and Abington Hospital. And it bears repeating from the article..... "For its share, the city would consider the possibility of using money offered by neighbors to purchase the property for preservation".
Beach View
5:14 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Seems to me we're making a lot of assumptions here. Was this private land actually built up at the taxpayers expense? Someone needs to confirm that, I doubt it myself. Truth is, that without beach replenishment any of us living remotely close to the beach would be REALLY under water by now. As far as the grant business, the city has NO business partnering with neighbors to buy land. That's not only stupid, but it's probably illegal. It is PRIVATELY owned, they can do what ever they want to do with it, within the confines of the city ordinances and building codes. We can all have opinions, but none of us have a dog in this race, except the owners.
Beachy Keen
7:41 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Army Corp of Engineers did the replenishment way back when according to past articles.
Beachy Keen
6:17 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I don't think any of us need to waste one brain cell on this---the property will go to the highest bidder. I agree that a lot of assumptions are being made. The fact remains that this specific property was replenished and protected using tax dollars and now the state wants to wash its hand of the mess. To say that the owners can do what they want within the confines of city ordinances and building codes doesn't hold water b/c we all know that the city will do what brings in the most dollars even if it means changing codes, ordinances, screwing existing homeowners, etc. as we have all seen through the years. We are not talking about "a bare patch of sand" we are talking about protected dunes that were replenished using tax dollars and in my mind therein lies the sticking point. The dunes are protected just as they are east of the boardwalk so I am wondering why these particular dunes were put on private property? Regardless of the homeowners behind the property, I don't think I want another monster house up against the boardwalk that would involve moving the street to accommodate it.
Duffer
7:04 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Hey Mr Realtor....I mean Mr Councilman.....I'll help you out with your campaign if you get the city to take care of this for me. Or how about this one.......Mr Realtor.....I mean Mr Councilman I'll give you the listing on my properties if you get the city to take care of this for me. This is how these things work. Smells to the high heavens. Where is the ethics board. Perhaps an investigation should be conducted as to how and why this ever got before city council while there is litigation on the matter going on.
JCP
7:17 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Again, another assumption, unless you, of course, know how these things work first hand.....
Beachy Keen
7:36 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I could be wrong but in its simplest form the litigation is to resolve whether or not the land can be used to build a house or houses and whether or not it is still protected and the city filed papers with the state. If the land is deemed buildable then it will be assessed at market value and put up for sale either as one or more parcels. I think there may be a lot of pieces to this that are missing as I am still wondering how the ACOE came to build protected dunes on private property. I think the council is involved in it b/c if the property is ruled to be buildable land, then the council or zoning board,etc. will have to rule on what can be built there. I agree that there is a sense of unfairness in it in that the neighbors have a vested interest in preserving the dunes but they are willing to pony up to buy the land and have increased the offer. Nobody can stop them from making an offer to the Schilling estate. As a resident, I would rather leave the dunes as open space rather than have a monster home or homes on the land. What stinks to the high heavens to me is that the state is trying to wash its hands of the whole thing after the property has been protected for years. As unfair as it may sound, we don't need any more properties butting up against the boardwalk and whose to say over time that once disturbed the land won't be under water again. I'm not sure how these things work either but its always about the money!
Beachy Keen
7:45 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
To me, this piece of land differs from other beachfront lots, b/c it has had tax payer funded protected dunes and a history of being protected and now the state has suddenly changed its mind. It is a unique situation and the winners will be the blood sucking attorneys, the realtors and the developers assuming the project is completed and sold and whoever else is in on the deal.
JCP
7:54 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Glad to see someone else is looking at the facts, and not just assuming that the homeowners are only in it for the view--which of course, they are, I am sure. But also sure it isn't the only reason. The ones who won't win are long dead in their graves and took with them the real reason they could never build on this parcel. Shame on the attorneys for fighting this with the money that could be going to the beneficiaries. Wonder what the difference will wind up being????
Beach View
7:19 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I'm not sure the issue of "tax-payer funded" beach replesnishment has anything to do with this discussion here. Sounds like another populist red herring. Everyone who owns beachfront property can thank the taxpayers of Mighigan, Colorado, and the othe 48 states for proping up of the value of their million dollar pieces of east coastal real estate. You want an earful, bring this up to your midwestern friends. The issue with this property is simple; if it is build-able land, privately held, then game over, discussion closed. The real estate market will determine what happens to it. If it is not biuild-able land then it is worthless to a developer. The neighbors might want to make an offer to secure their million dollar views. Either way, the city has no business getting involved. unless, of course, the plan is to make someone richer at the public expense. I, for one, am sick of government, local, state and federal, getting involved in issues that they have no business in. OC's council has been doing this stuff forever, this is just the latest intrusion by that collection of micromanaging ninnies.
Tom H.
7:49 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Does anyone know what happened to the house at 2101 Wesley Ave.? It shows up in the satellite map at the beach corner, but on a recent visit, the lot was vacant.
Orlando
10:48 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
One fact not being discussed in the comments is that the property owners behind the lot have been assesed "beach front" taxes for all these years. Schilling only pays about 600 dollars a year in taxes. The owners behind pay around 75,000 for the same amount of land. These guys paid for their " million dollar views" .The taxing authority knew the value of the Schilling land. And the State DEP Laws confirmed they were and are unbuildable. The estate only had them valued at 21,000 a few years ago!
Hiker Gal
7:17 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Save the dunes with Green Acres, neighbors' money or whatever. They have been unbuildable for years and should remain so. Too bad previous councils, zoning and planning boards didn't do more to save our crowded island!
Beach View
7:21 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Agreed. Unfortunately our island IS crowded because of "bad previous councils, zoning and planning boards" and their partners in crime, realtors. The foxes have been watching over the hen house in OC for a very long time...
SAS
10:35 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012
As a 30 year plus homeowner in that area..I was told firsthand that nothing coulld be built beyond an existing bulkhead...now there is an invisible line under sand out by the boardwalk. The Schillings divested themselves of all their holdings except this parcel..because when they bothe died, these parcels were under water!! Who would have bought them? They knew up until their death they were not buildable..they never even tried to build. The state of NJ is washing their hands of this mess solely for the reason of money. For the past 5 years they have said no..now that they have to pay for the lots it's easier to let them build..that's what's fishy. They are the ones you need to be angry with..not OC and Greenacres..they are left to deal with this mess. A lot of you making comments just dont know the true facts..the parcels were totally under water until the replenishment and were almoat under water again with the storms this summer and last..water flowed all the way up to the boardwalk steps...had it not been for the dunes..the pool would have been open again!! Stop blaming those homeowners for being selfish view mongers..they have a right to protect their property and they are willing to pay for that.
Hiker Gal
11:44 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012
Yep. Agreed. Now we should all pay attention to the new Master Plan. We must prevent further devastation of our island!